{"id":3509001,"date":"2025-02-14T11:23:21","date_gmt":"2025-02-14T11:23:21","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.resilience.org\/?p=3509001"},"modified":"2025-04-03T00:10:32","modified_gmt":"2025-04-03T00:10:32","slug":"dougald-hine-reimagining-the-cultural-narrative-art-and-storytelling-for-systemic-change","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.resilience.org\/stories\/2025-02-14\/dougald-hine-reimagining-the-cultural-narrative-art-and-storytelling-for-systemic-change\/","title":{"rendered":"Dougald Hine: \u201cReimagining the Cultural Narrative: Art and Storytelling for Systemic Change\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"\">(Conversation recorded on November 12th, 2024)<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Embed Player\" src=\"https:\/\/play.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/35243745\/height\/192\/theme\/modern\/size\/large\/thumbnail\/yes\/custom-color\/5c4c94\/time-start\/00:00:00\/hide-show\/yes\/hide-playlist\/yes\/hide-subscribe\/yes\/hide-share\/yes\/download\/yes\/font-color\/FFFFFF\" width=\"100%\" height=\"192\" scrolling=\"no\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\" data-mce-fragment=\"1\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<h3><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--lightAccent\">Show Summary<\/span><\/h3>\n<p class=\"\">In today\u2019s modern era, the overwhelming flood of information that constantly flows our way can leave us feeling disoriented, lost, and powerless. Even science \u2013 our most trusted source of truth \u2013 can be taken out of context to fuel division and distort the reality around us. In the midst of this confusion, how can we learn to ground ourselves and find guideposts that can direct our lives and work?<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Today, Nate is joined by storyteller and social thinker, Dougald Hine, to explore the importance of narratives in shaping our understanding of the world and how they can help us navigate the complexities of life, especially in the face of ecological crises. Together, they discuss the need for a reframing of conversations around environmental and climate issues, the importance of grassroots responses to systemic crises, and the concept of \u2018engaged surrender\u2019 as a way to navigate the challenges of modern life.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">How can we foster emotional resilience in the face of ecological overshoot and the death of modernity? What role do art and storytelling play alongside science and data in responding to our collective human predicament? And how can we strengthen our communities and plant the seeds for a different way of life, starting in our own small corners of the world?<\/p>\n<h3><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--lightAccent\">About\u00a0<\/span>Dougald Hine<\/h3>\n<p class=\"\">Dougald Hine is a social thinker, writer and speaker. After an early career as a BBC journalist, he went on to co-found the <em>Dark Mountain Project<\/em>, where he was the director until 2019. He is also the co-author, with Paul Kingsnorth, of <em>Uncivilisation: The Dark Mountain Manifesto, <\/em>and his latest book is titled, <em>At Work in the Ruins: Finding Our Place in the Time of Science, Climate Change, Pandemics &amp; All the Other Emergencies<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Dougald\u2019s recent projects include <em>Notes From Underground<\/em>, a ten-part essay series for <em>Bella Caledonia<\/em> exploring the deep roots of the new climate movements, and <em>The Great Humbling<\/em>, a podcast he co-hosts with Ed Gillespie. He and Anna Bj\u00f6rkman are creating <em>a school called HOME<\/em>, \u2018a gathering place and a learning community for those who are drawn to the work of regrowing a living culture\u2019. His latest writing is published on his Substack, <a href=\"https:\/\/dougald.substack.com\/\"><em>Writing Home<\/em><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/tpUbw9ur1yk?si=soRkZC6m5D32WaIM\" width=\"100%\" height=\"600\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><span data-mce-type=\"bookmark\" style=\"display: inline-block; width: 0px; overflow: hidden; line-height: 0;\" class=\"mce_SELRES_start\">\ufeff<\/span><span data-mce-type=\"bookmark\" style=\"display: inline-block; width: 0px; overflow: hidden; line-height: 0;\" class=\"mce_SELRES_start\">\ufeff<\/span><span data-mce-type=\"bookmark\" style=\"display: inline-block; width: 0px; overflow: hidden; line-height: 0;\" class=\"mce_SELRES_start\">\ufeff<\/span><\/iframe><\/p>\n<h3>Show Notes &amp; Links to Learn More<\/h3>\n<p class=\"\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.thegreatsimplification.com\/s\/TGS-163-Dougald-Hine-Transcript.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">PDF Transcript<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">00:00 &#8211; Dougald Hine <a href=\"https:\/\/dougald.nu\/\">info + works<\/a><em>, <\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=NVeCw-Ljenk&amp;list=PLqF1wDAQcwftDYQ24z0IJNdx7s4rvm3FA&amp;index=1\">Reality Roundtable Episode<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/dark-mountain.net\/\">The Dark Mountain Project<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/aschoolcalledhome.org\/\">A school called HOME<\/a>, Book: <a href=\"https:\/\/dougald.nu\/at-work-in-the-ruins\"><em>At Work in The Ruins<\/em><\/a>, Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/homewardbound.org\/\">The Great Humbling<\/a>, Substack: <a href=\"https:\/\/dougald.substack.com\/\">Writing Home<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">03:34 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Alan_Garner\">Alan Garner<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">11:28 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/education.nationalgeographic.org\/resource\/storytelling-x\/\">Origins of storytelling<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">14:20 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/drmartinshaw.com\/about-martin-shaw\/\">Martin Shaw<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">15:03 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hellolydia.co.uk\/aboutlydia\">Lydia Catterall<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">15:27 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nickcave.com\/\">Nick Cave<\/a> + <a href=\"https:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/culture\/the-new-yorker-interview\/nick-cave-on-the-fragility-of-life\">on grief\u00a0<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">19:13 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Chernobyl_disaster\">Chernobyl disaster<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">19:39 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.are.admin.ch\/are\/en\/home\/media\/publications\/sustainable-development\/brundtland-report.html\">1987 Brundtland Report<\/a> + <a href=\"https:\/\/www.un.org\/en\/conferences\/environment\/rio1992\">1992 Earth Summit<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">19:54 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=VnAzoDtwCBg\">Margaret Thatcher UN Climate Change Speech 1989<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">25:15 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.paulkingsnorth.net\/\">Paul Kingsnorth<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">26:47 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/academic.oup.com\/oocc\/article\/3\/1\/kgad008\/7335889\">Global Warming in the Pipeline<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">30:30 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/read.realityblind.world\/view\/388478403\/i\/\">The Bottlenecks of the 21st Century<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">32:16 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.marcgafni.com\/about-marc-gafni-com\/\">Marc Gafni\u00a0<\/a>+ <a href=\"https:\/\/www.marcgafni.com\/from-pre-tragic-to-post-tragic\/\">from pre-tragic to post-tragic<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">33:36 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/orphanwisdom.com\/\">Stephen Jenkinson<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">34:05 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/eleanorrobins.substack.com\/\">Eleanor Robins\u2019 Substack<\/a> + <a href=\"https:\/\/eleanorrobins.substack.com\/p\/a-forgotten-story-about-the-dawn-of-democracy?utm_source=publication-search\">essay on Athenian democracy and the suppression of grief<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">36:45 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.marisoldelacadena.com\/\">Marisol de la Cadena<\/a> + <a href=\"https:\/\/www.mun.ca\/archaeology\/people\/faculty\/mario-blaser\/\">Mario Blaser<\/a>: <a href=\"https:\/\/journals.kent.ac.uk\/index.php\/transmotion\/article\/view\/902\/1777\">A World of Many Worlds<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">38:01 &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bruno-latour.fr\/biography.html\">Bruno Latour<\/a>: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bruno-latour.fr\/node\/754.html\">Down to Earth<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">38:56 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bayoakomolafe.net\/\">Bayo Akomolafe<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">41:10 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Felix_Marquardt\">Felix Marquardt<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">42:10 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/dark-mountain.net\/about\/manifesto\/\">The Dark Mountain Manifesto<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">46:30 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/edst.educ.ubc.ca\/andreotti-vanessa\/\">Vanessa Andreotti<\/a> + <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/h5kQ7_IZ8YI\">TGS Episode<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">49:04 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/systems-souls-society.com\/origin\/people\/\">Jonathan Rowson<\/a> + <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/XMZg7Nja2Pg\">TGS Episode<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">50:43 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Deism_in_England_and_France_in_the_18th_century#:~:text=Deism%2C%20the%20religious%20attitude%20typical,with%20observation%20of%20the%20world.\">18th Century Deism<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">57:01 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Richard_Smith_(editor)\">Richard Smith<\/a> + <a href=\"https:\/\/ukhealthalliance.org\/news-item\/finding-paths-from-our-predicament-of-a-poisoned-world\/\">review of\u00a0<em>At Work in The Ruins<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">59:39 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.animas.org\/about-us\/our-founder\/\">Bill Plotkin<\/a> + <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/S25UKlLq5m8\">TGS Episode<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">1:01:15 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.robinwallkimmerer.com\/\">Robin Wall Kimmerer<\/a> + <a href=\"https:\/\/www.robinwallkimmerer.com\/books\">Braiding Sweetgrass<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">1:05:14 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.csap.cam.ac.uk\/network\/luke-kemp\/\">Luke Kemp<\/a> + <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/8E_x4Xe5Eak\">TGS Episode<\/a> + <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.com\/future\/article\/20210427-the-stomp-reflex-when-governments-abuse-emergency-powers\">the stomp reflex<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">1:06:42 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Ivan_Illich\">Ivan Illich<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">1:08:50 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.johnmoriarty.ie\/\">John Moriarty<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">1:16:22 &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mroconnor.info\/home-page\">M.R. O\u2019Connor<\/a>: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.goodreads.com\/en\/book\/show\/75593889-ignition\">Ignition<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">1:17:38 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.goodreads.com\/book\/show\/6288.The_Road\">The Road<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">1:22:49 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/David_Fleming_(writer)\">David Fleming<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">1:26:59 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/sandrivercommunityfarm.org\/substack\/index.html\">Peasantry School<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"\">1:29:58 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.alastairmcintosh.com\/personal.htm\">Alastair McIntosh<\/a>: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.alastairmcintosh.com\/soilandsoul.htm\">Soil and Soul<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Today, Nate is joined by storyteller and social thinker, Dougald Hine, to explore the importance of narratives in shaping our understanding of the world and how they can help us navigate the complexities of life, especially in the face of ecological crises.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":128238,"featured_media":3509003,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[252042,79720,213535],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3509001","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-acceptance-and-agency","category-society","category-society-featured"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.resilience.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3509001","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.resilience.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.resilience.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.resilience.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/128238"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.resilience.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3509001"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/www.resilience.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3509001\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":3509008,"href":"https:\/\/www.resilience.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3509001\/revisions\/3509008"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.resilience.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/3509003"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.resilience.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3509001"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.resilience.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3509001"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.resilience.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3509001"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}